Gym shooter hadn't had sex in 20 years

[Oknow]

I don't deny that going bald/balding affects one looks. But for many of these guys they place so much emphasis on it that they make it sound like the ultimate deal breaker. It is like their whole life evolves around women!

Life is not all about women, that is essentially the point I was trying to make. Yes they may be less desirable to women due to balding/going bald, but that shouldn't stop them from trying to make a success out of themselves.

SAF, yes there are not many, you are right president/prime-minsiters that are bald. But are you honestly going to tell me that if guys like Lenin, Churchill, and Eisenhower carried the mindset that UCMan and Hair4redux are carrying that they will even get themself into that position anyway.

We both know they just wouldn't, they would fall under the first hurdle by worrying about their hair too much...and besides there are plenty of successful politicians out there that are bald but are not PMs, such as McCain, Iain Duncan Smith, William Hague to name a few.

My not wanting to be bald had nothing to do (well possibly a little bit) with women. Its all about the way that you percieve yourself. If you look in the mirror and dont like what you see (or in my case dont even recognise yourself anymore), then that will have a deep effect on how you feel 24/7.

Lets face it if we all woke up tommorrow weighing 250lbs how many of us would freak out? How many of us would immeadiatly start a diet/exercise regime? How many of us would be unhappy and feel unconfident? How many of us would feel like going out socialising ect?

Ok SAF, fair point. I can totally see where you are coming from given that I suffer from BDD on another physical attribute, exactly the same thought patterns. Irrespective despite being told that I look like "David Blaine", I really hate this physical attribute because I know it has distorted my looks. Saying that, I have had to adapt to it.

So I sympathize with you and the NW6. What Norwood are you, and when did you start losing it?

And MCain may be bald but he's 72 and still grows what he's got to try and comb it over.
As for Hague and I.D.S successful? Not with the general public.
I can remember my own dad who's a NW6 seeing I.D.S become leader of the conservatives and the first thing he said was "no one is going to vote for that bald bastard" and he was right Hague and I.D.S failed miserably neither came anywhere near to being elected, whilst whats the betting that Cameron who looks more like a young Tony Blair will probably the next PM.

That and labour are sh*t atm. (huge factor)

Ok I.D.S and Hague are not PMs, but they are still successful. They are wealthy guys, probably live a nice comfy lifestyle. The fact that I.D.S even got the chance to become leader of the tories, is an accomplishment! Not many average joes will experience the same level of success. What you have to take out of it, is that they did this being bald men, it didn't hold them back! Depending on how you look at this, this is an admirable thing.

Its a vicous circle I saw myself go from looking like a babyfaced 20 yr old who could'nt get served in pubs to looking like an old man all in a few years. It was psychologicly traumatic. Sure nobody else really gave a sh*t but do you give a sh*t if you see a 300lb kid or a guy with no hand? Obviously not but you can bet they sure do.

Yeah sure. Though a 300 pound kid or a guy with no hand is rarity tbh. Baldness is common.

 

[s.a.f]

[Ok I.D.S and Hague are not PMs, but they are still successful. They are wealthy guys, probably live a nice comfy lifestyle. The fact that I.D.S even got the chance to become leader of the tories, is an accomplishment! Not many average joes will experience the same level of success. What you have to take out of it, is that they did this being bald men, it didn't hold them back! Depending on how you look at this, this is an admirable thing.

You've got to understand that being a succesful politician has very little to do with how you are and a lot to do with coming from priveledged backgrounds and going to public school and knowing the right people.
Not many ordinary Joes bald or otherwise become politicians. And The same can often be said for most succesful corporate business leaders, judges ect..
Bald or not the average Etonian will lead a comfortable life, they make up the overwhelming majority of people in those jobs.

 

[Oknow]

[Ok I.D.S and Hague are not PMs, but they are still successful. They are wealthy guys, probably live a nice comfy lifestyle. The fact that I.D.S even got the chance to become leader of the tories, is an accomplishment! Not many average joes will experience the same level of success. What you have to take out of it, is that they did this being bald men, it didn't hold them back! Depending on how you look at this, this is an admirable thing.

You've got to understand that being a succesful politician has very little to do with how you are and a lot to do with coming from priveledged backgrounds and going to public school and knowing the right people.
Not many ordinary Joes bald or otherwise become politicians. And The same can often be said for most succesful corporate business leaders, judges ect..
Bald or not the average Etonian will lead a comfortable life, they make up the overwhelming majority of people in those jobs.

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

 

[s.a.f]

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

But getting back to the point we,re not arguing that its impossible for a bald man to be succesful, after all there are just as many NW1's who are failures. The point is that going bald to some people is detrimental to how they feel its detrimental to their confidence and general well being. Which makes it harder for them to be driven and become successful.

 

[Oknow]

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

But getting back to the point we,re not arguing that its impossible for a bald man to be succesful, after all there are just as many NW1's who are failures. The point is that going bald to some people is detrimental to how they feel its detrimental to their confidence and general well being. Which makes it harder for them to be driven and become successful.

UCMan and Hope4hair are both plagued with limiting beliefs mate. Hence how this discussion manifested itself.

 

[qball01]

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

But getting back to the point we,re not arguing that its impossible for a bald man to be succesful, after all there are just as many NW1's who are failures. The point is that going bald to some people is detrimental to how they feel its detrimental to their confidence and general well being. Which makes it harder for them to be driven and become successful.

you make some very good points...if YOU feel like sh*t because of it...thats a whole other thing...but if you feel like sh*t because you think you're perceived as "subhuman" then thats something you have to work on to try and gain perspective. Both problems can be fixed IMO but theres a big difference between not liking the image you see of yourself and thinking that everybody else will judge you because of how they perceive that image. The fact is, I give credit to bald guys who are living their life, getting involved with girls, have a good job and are STILL bothered by it...because even though it sucks, theyre still living. When you stop living because you believe the whole entire world judges you negatively because of it...well then thats a different story.

 

[Hope4hairRedux]

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

But getting back to the point we,re not arguing that its impossible for a bald man to be succesful, after all there are just as many NW1's who are failures. The point is that going bald to some people is detrimental to how they feel its detrimental to their confidence and general well being. Which makes it harder for them to be driven and become successful.

UCMan and Hope4hair are both plagued with limiting beliefs mate. Hence how this discussion manifested itself.

So you think what s.a.f. just wrote is a limited belief? He is not saying bald men cant be successful - just that it is harder. Its the same with women, its not impossible, but it is harder. These are generally facts of life . Unless you are a very lucky guy who happens to really suit going bald. I agree that its not so bald, its whatyou make of it etc, and essientally others dont really care about your hair loss, they just want to be around people who are fun and have good energy, hair or not.

I just feel my looks are going man. Im not saying im going to turn into quasimodo or some sh*t. But im losing my sharp young looks before I should, and its a fuckery. Especially as its like one day your lookin like you are and then the next, you suddenly realise that your looks arent what they are in the space of a few years.

I have been pretty negative recently and its moments like this these where I am most clear and logical about hair loss and what it brings, when I am not too negative or postive. Whilst it does lower ones attractiveness, and it is hard to take, at the same time, its not the end of the world generally,you can still get nice women, you can still be attractive(although it will probably be tougher).

I think this post from s.a.f. is a healthy post from some1 his age. Its not overtly negative or postive, just grounded in the middle, showing both sides of the coin. A lot more realistic.

 

[Thinneritgoes!]

:shock:

 

[barcafan]

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

But getting back to the point we,re not arguing that its impossible for a bald man to be succesful, after all there are just as many NW1's who are failures. The point is that going bald to some people is detrimental to how they feel its detrimental to their confidence and general well being. Which makes it harder for them to be driven and become successful.

UCMan and Hope4hair are both plagued with limiting beliefs mate. Hence how this discussion manifested itself.

All we can say is we'll see how you deal with sh*t once you're a nw5 like ucman, right now what you say is irrelevant because you cant relate.

 

[Obsidian]

You can say "You don't know how they feel" but it is true they have self-limiting beliefs.

 

[cuebald]

UCman needs a 'piece.
Only then will he know if the society he lives in is persecuting him for being bald, or if it's all just in his head.

 

[Smooth]

piece wont help, he will say it doesn't feel right, it doesn't fit good, etc etc, the one solution for UM is hair, and that wont happen, i think the best thing Um can do is work, work and work, or go to school, set the mind on other things, focus on his daughter, maybe go to the gym work on other aspects to keep the mind bussy and off the hair loss problem, hopefully by the time he is 50 or so there will come a cure that he could afford, that's the ONLY solution i think, acceptance wont work, nor hair transplant if he is too high on the Norwood... (eg s.a.f and dude..)

 

[ali777]

What a long thread!!!!!!!

The guy in question had good looks, he probably had a comfortable lifestyle as well (software developer), but he wasn't successful with women. My only conclusion is that he was a total nut case.... Someone with a bit of looks and comfortable lifestyle doesn't have to try hard to get laid.

On the subject of gyms... I don't understand the American culture... They are the fattest nation in the world, but are also obsessed with perfection. Just doesn't add up.

On the subject of IDS.... Hague and IDS were losers, Cameron is no different but it looks like Brown is doing his best to get Cameron elected. I feel sorry for the British public, their next PM is going to be the worse one of the two bad candidates. The guy has no integrity, he cycles to work but gets case delivered in a car :dunno:.

 

[s.a.f]

What a long thread!!!!!!!

The guy in question had good looks, he probably had a comfortable lifestyle as well (software developer), but he wasn't successful with women. My only conclusion is that he was a total nut case.... Someone with a bit of looks and comfortable lifestyle doesn't have to try hard to get laid.

Yep obviously had mental issues the only question is why? did he have some kind of bad experience that kicked it all off?

On the subject of gyms... I don't understand the American culture... They are the fattest nation in the world, but are also obsessed with perfection. Just doesn't add up.

If you think about it no wonder this creates people who are fucked up.

On the subject of IDS.... Hague and IDS were losers, Cameron is no different but it looks like Brown is doing his best to get Cameron elected. I feel sorry for the British public, their next PM is going to be the worse one of the two bad candidates. The guy has no integrity, he cycles to work but gets case delivered in a car :dunno:.

Not really if you think about it he's trying to set an example he cycles because he does'nt want to be seen as a rich lazy guy, but obviously he cant ride a bike and take his case and suit at the same time. Its also his daily excercise.

 

[uncomfortable man]

H4Hrdx, I'm sure if I saw you I would want to slap you for your suffering is over-exaggerated compared to your reality. Now if you truly have BDD then it is possible you see yourself as a higher up Norwood than you actually are, but you would have to be extremely fixated on your hair. I think all your negativity comes from just realizing that youth isn't forever. You know that mentality or assumption when you are young and in the prime of your life that things are always going to be that way. That and you are brainwashed...just like I am really. All I know is that when I was your age, I wasn't obsessed with my hair at all. I was more obsessed with getting buffed but I think most twenty somethings go through that.

 

[uncomfortable man]

UCman needs a 'piece.
Only then will he know if the society he lives in is persecuting him for being bald, or if it's all just in his head.

Thank you cuebald (I like you more than qball btw) for the most direct logical test to my condition. Sometimes I want to give in and get a really good one or make it good and believable just so I don't have to deal with the stigma anymore. If wearing a hat is any indication (no funny looks or grimaces) then it is a safe assumption that people will treat me normally and if I put a little extra work into it...then I'm pretty sure the female attention would return as well. I know I am a good looking guy but baldness just retards it to an unacceptable point to most people. They can see the potential but I can't fulfill it unless I fake it, which is risky and is probably best I remain honest about my condition, but my heart aches everyday. Just watch me get a system and work out at home (f*** gyms!) and become CCS's f*****g hero!

 

[Oknow]

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

UCMan and Hope4hair are both plagued with limiting beliefs mate. Hence how this discussion manifested itself.

All we can say is we'll see how you deal with sh*t once you're a nw5 like ucman, right now what you say is irrelevant because you cant relate.

Hopefully I am in my 60s when it reaches that point.

And UCman aside, what H4Redux is like one norwood (or maybe the same) higher then me MAX and look at the difference in attitude.

 

[Oknow]

Maybe so, but a clever bald man can go and study in Oxford and network there. Or with enough drive can become a success.

Relative of mine is a pilot - flies for Emirates- captain, and is a NW5...and no he didn't go to Eton.

UCMan and Hope4hair are both plagued with limiting beliefs mate. Hence how this discussion manifested itself.

So you think what s.a.f. just wrote is a limited belief? He is not saying bald men cant be successful - just that it is harder. Its the same with women, its not impossible, but it is harder. These are generally facts of life . Unless you are a very lucky guy who happens to really suit going bald. I agree that its not so bald, its whatyou make of it etc, and essientally others dont really care about your hair loss, they just want to be around people who are fun and have good energy, hair or not.

I didn't say it was easier, I just said that it wasn't impossible to be successful whilst being bald, which was the point of it all. There are far too many real life examples that prove this to be the case. Actually more to the point I know one guy who is not successful, but is really good with women and chooses to shave his head completely bald. He just knows how to mack them.

I just feel my looks are going man. Im not saying im going to turn into quasimodo or some sh*t. But im losing my sharp young looks before I should, and its a fuckery. Especially as its like one day your lookin like you are and then the next, you suddenly realise that your looks arent what they are in the space of a few years.

Yeah its hard, I have lost a bit of hair and it has changed the way I have looked for example slightly. It's only because I cant style my hair like I usually do due to recession.

Temple points are pretty thin atm. But what can you do? Obviously if I can thicken them up I would do so without having to resort to minoxidil and fins but can't. Saying that I haven't lost enough hair to say that I look very different, its slight hairloss and by the sounds of it is the same for you. You should just be grateful that you are not a NW5 yet. You should be out there partying, most people for example DO NOT notice that I have hairloss, actually I have had my stylist say to me "You know when you walked into the shop I couldnt see your hairloss".

You also never know you may just have a "mature hairline", this is normal and can make you look distinguished if you can find the right style:

(still has hair)

(yes significantly bald now)

(still has hair)

I have been pretty negative recently and its moments like this these where I am most clear and logical about hair loss and what it brings, when I am not too negative or postive. Whilst it does lower ones attractiveness, and it is hard to take, at the same time, its not the end of the world generally,you can still get nice women, you can still be attractive(although it will probably be tougher).

I think this post from s.a.f. is a healthy post from some1 his age. Its not overtly negative or postive, just grounded in the middle, showing both sides of the coin. A lot more realistic.

TBH I don't think most girls care if you are a NW1, NW2. At least you have enough hair to style in a pimping fashion, so its not ALL doom and gloom. What you are doing now is looking at the worse case scienario - something which may or may not happen, so by predicting how it will hinder you with girls and how much it will progress (if it does) is unhealthy

 

[Smooth]

I LOVE it when you guys bring Jude Law as an example, because really, in hes case, i think hair loss took ALOT off the looks,...

You still think Jude law looks like Jude Law??
Btw, we have the EXACT same patterns of baldness and head shape(especially in that last picture), it doesnt fit baldness ! as you can see for yourself....

 

[Nashville Hairline]

I think he still looks good that way tbh. He had a lot more going for him than just hair from the start.

if I looked like he did in those pictures I wouldn't be near these forums...