This Whole Thing Reminds Me Of Racism And Discrimination

[Afro_Vacancy]

Many (if not most) Americans are pretty ignorant, and are proud about it. I still remember a few American guys who thought I was Spanish, and when I specified I was Italian, they asked "What's the difference?". Completely deadpan and serious. I heard similar stories about French and Belgians.

They usually know very little about what's going on outside their country. The news here (for example) is really atrocious in that regard. Other countries only exist in as much as they are bring bombed by America, in opposition to America, etc.

Spain is where they had the expulsion and Inquisition. Italy is where they had the Renaissance, culminating in the invention of pistachio gelatto a few hundred years later.

 

[hairblues]

I wonder what fraction of Americans don't know the difference between Dutch and Dane, or that Germany is also Deutschland, in German.

I think actually you know I do know the difference

But you are such an insecure person you have to attempt to get a passive aggressive dig in about 'knowledge' because thats all you have. Edit that to knowledge not intelligence--huge difference.

Meanwhile all you are doing is losing more and more respect from me.

 

[yetti]

Well, you are in a tiny minority. Overwhelming majority of critics and audience (94%) liked The Dark Knight. Anyway, his Batman movies are not the only reason I am his fan. If you watch his other movies such as Prestige and Memento you will see that he has amazing knack of easily telling complex stories with a great finesse. I absolutely love his style of story telling and the kind of movies he makes.

Ya, it's not that I think he's a hack or makes dumb movies. Momento is really good, Inception is really good. (havent seen prestige but am now interested to.) But what I find true of all of his films is that every single scene is invested with this overwhelming pressure and gravity. If every word and movement is incredibly tense, is anything tense? If every line is spoken like it's the most important line ever spoken, is any line important? For me the characters don't talk like real human beings, and to some extent they are barely differentiated from each other. They are stressed-out automotons situated in gorgeous positions and colors to advance whatever convoluted, tense plot is in Chris Nolan's imagination for this particular film. So, yeah, good stories, incredible cinematography, but I'm not that interested. Anyway of course it's subjective, ya he's a very talented director. (Stanley Kubrick is another guy that made tense, groundbreaking movies with incredible cinematography and stressed out characters, but for me his movies were much better. I get that everyone can't be Kubrick though.)

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I think actually you know I do know the difference

But you are such an insecure person you have to attempt to get a passive aggressive dig in about 'intelligence' because thats all you have.

Meanwhile all you are doing is losing more and more respect from me.

I'm sure you want to have an angry back and forth for the next twelve hours, but I don't. You are the number one poster on this forum for fights, nobody gets into more fights than you. One time I made the mistake of indulging you and we went on until 400am, I was the one who had to stop it.

I don't share your enthusiasm, sorry.

So have a nice day.

 

[yetti]

Enough with the snide, childish talk about how ignorant Americans are. I've lived and worked all over the world and people are pretty ignorant everywhere. The richer and more isolated a country is the less people know about other countries.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Enough with the snide, childish talk about how ignorant Americans are. I've lived and worked all over the world and people are pretty ignorant everywhere. The richer and more isolated a country is the less people know about other countries.

I've lived, worked, and travelled in multiple countries as well. The lack of international awareness is a major problem with the USA. It's also a handicap to the country's long term prospects.

 

[hairblues]

I'm sure you want to have an angry back and forth for the next twelve hours, but I don't. .

No I don't that is what you want but you use your passive aggressive ways to start them.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Ya, it's not that I think he's a hack or makes dumb movies. Momento is really good, Inception is really good. (havent seen prestige but am now interested to.) But what I find true of all of his films is that every single scene is invested with this overwhelming pressure and gravity. If every word and movement is incredibly tense, is anything tense? If every line is spoken like it's the most important line ever spoken, is any line important? For me the characters don't talk like real human beings, and to some extent they are barely differentiated from each other. They are stressed-out automotons situated in gorgeous positions and colors to advance whatever convoluted, tense plot is in Chris Nolan's imagination for this particular film. So, yeah, good stories, incredible cinematography, but I'm not that interested. Anyway of course it's subjective, ya he's a very talented director. (Stanley Kubrick is another guy that made tense, groundbreaking movies with incredible cinematography and stressed out characters, but for me his movies were much better. I get that everyone can't be Kubrick though.)

There's a lot of relaxed banter in the Batman movies, particularly the scenes with Alfred and Fox.

I think Interstellar had more of this problem, the only tone relief after the first act was from the robot.

 

[yetti]

I've lived, worked, and travelled in multiple countries as well. The lack of international awareness is a major problem with the USA. It's also a handicap to the country's long term prospects.

Whatever, what I said is correct. Americans are no more ignorant about the world than people from other isolated, rich countries. And of course when you say "Americans" it's an ignorant generalization anyway, people from New York are a lot more international than people from Kentucky, as people in the landlocked south are that much more isolated and have a less diverse population and travel abroad less etc.

 

[hairblues]

Whatever, what I said is correct. Americans are no more ignorant about that world than people from other isolated, rich countries. And of course when you say "Americans" it's an ignorant generalization anyway, people from New York are a lot more international than people from Kentucky, as people in the landlocked deep south are that much more isolated and have a less diverse population and travel abroad less etc.

He is just trying to take passive aggressive shots at me.

Hold on another one is probably coming in 3 seconds I am going to guess it may be about the intelligence of people from NY.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Whatever, what I said is correct. Americans are no more ignorant about the world than people from other isolated, rich countries. And of course when you say "Americans" it's an ignorant generalization anyway, people from New York are a lot more international than people from Kentucky, as people in the landlocked deep south are that much more isolated and have a less diverse population and travel abroad less etc.

That's not correct. On average, Anerican are less likely to learn a foreign language. American news is less likely to report on foreign events. And American movie theatres are less likely to play non-American films. Just to pick three examples.

I agree that there are a lot of variations within the USA, but isn't that sufficiently obvious that we shouldn't need to say it?

 

[yetti]

That's not correct. On average, Anerican are less likely to learn a foreign language. American news is less likely to report on foreign events. And American movie theatres are less likely to play non-American films. Just to pick three examples.

I agree that there are a lot of variations within the USA, but isn't that sufficiently obvious that we shouldn't need to say it?

As I said, Americans are no more ignorant about the world than people from other rich, isolated countries. How much time have you spent, for example, in Japan? They have as much need to fluently speak a foreign language or know the capital of Belgium as Americans do, which is to say, almost none. And they don't and they don't know.

 

[hairblues]

That's not correct. On average, Anerican are less likely to learn a foreign language. American news is less likely to report on foreign events. And American movie theatres are less likely to play non-American films. Just to pick three examples.

I agree that there are a lot of variations within the USA, but isn't that sufficiently obvious that we shouldn't need to say it?

Lets keep it real David

You made a comment about all Americans in reaction to my comment about the 'dutchland" which was not meant to be geographically accurate.

You made a very snide "I give up hair blues" dramatic 'sigh' yesterday with asterisk marks...as if you felt i was too stubborn or dumb or whatever to be bothered...Good enough.
But then today you made a comment on my comment implying you think I am ignorant. Meanwhile you probably do know I know the difference but took a cheap shot because you don't have the balls/temperment/energy to go at me because you DO know I am like a dog with a bone when I fight with someone on here.

Do I enjoy a good fight with an advisory? Yes..
Do I give up when someone comes at me? No.
But you are the same exact way. So these dramatic 'sighs' and 'i give up' then next day you take a cheap shot--that my dear is what I mean about authenticity...


You can compose your post however you want but it's the subtext that matters.

 

[spring15]

That's not correct. On average, Anerican are less likely to learn a foreign language. American news is less likely to report on foreign events. And American movie theatres are less likely to play non-American films. Just to pick three examples.

I agree that there are a lot of variations within the USA, but isn't that sufficiently obvious that we shouldn't need to say it?

Most people in the Anglosphere don't learn a second language, not just Americans.

Anyway you lived in Australia, do you not think they are on the same level as Americans? Interesting

 

[Xander94]

No sh*t. it was a joke. Something I guess is lost on Aspie peeps.

You would indeed get laid.

You would go to bar or lounge by yourself have a beer get lost in music of some DJ and some hot chicks would dance with you and you would touch them and you would go home and get laid because your good looking enough to get laid in NY and you dont have to have don juan social skills.

I used to go to clubs. That never happened to me I was back home alone and brooding. I never danced as well.

 

[Exodus2011]

wait @David_MPN what is the kernel of truth to the villain terminator? robot programmed to kill. i dont get it

 

[hairblues]

Ya, it's not that I think he's a hack or makes dumb movies. Momento is really good, Inception is really good. (havent seen prestige but am now interested to.) But what I find true of all of his films is that every single scene is invested with this overwhelming pressure and gravity. If every word and movement is incredibly tense, is anything tense? If every line is spoken like it's the most important line ever spoken, is any line important? For me the characters don't talk like real human beings, and to some extent they are barely differentiated from each other. They are stressed-out automotons situated in gorgeous positions and colors to advance whatever convoluted, tense plot is in Chris Nolan's imagination for this particular film. So, yeah, good stories, incredible cinematography, but I'm not that interested. Anyway of course it's subjective, ya he's a very talented director. (Stanley Kubrick is another guy that made tense, groundbreaking movies with incredible cinematography and stressed out characters, but for me his movies were much better. I get that everyone can't be Kubrick though.)

I think he is very good...but I don't think (other than the batman trilogy) he is going to be remembered for his body of work as a whole (yet at least). I don't think he is going to be one of those directors if he keeps on trajectory. He is a lot of style..which is fine.
He found a niche that works well for him.
Prestige is also very good..but if you dislike Batman for pacing and style you may not like Prestige, I am not sure.
I would be interested to see what he does without the bells and whistles being so apparent (something needed for action films).
If he used more subtly in his style so the acting and scripts can be more forefront without any distraction of the 'look' or pace of the film that comes in most action films.

I think David O Russel within that generation of directors is going to have an impressive body of work by the time he is 70. There is a progression of his story telling skills that is starting to rival early Scorsese. And I think he is just going to progress to be one of the great story telling directors.

 

[hairblues]

I used to go to clubs. That never happened to me I was back home alone and brooding. I never danced as well.

In NYC? No, so you are purposely dismissing main point of my posts.

(But I am the ignorant American).

 

[Xander94]

In NYC? No so you are purposely leaving out the main point of my posts.

(But I am the ignorant American).

I did it back when I was in Greece which is my natural habitat

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

As I said, Americans are no more ignorant about the world than people from other rich, isolated countries. How much time have you spent, for example, in Japan? They have as much need to fluently speak a foreign language or know the capital of Belgium as Americans do, which is to say, almost none. And they don't and they don't know.

To go back to the examples I used before, non-Japanese movies do very well in Japan.

Most people in the Anglosphere don't learn a second language, not just Americans.

Anyway you lived in Australia, do you not think they are on the same level as Americans? Interesting

I saw decent internationalism in Australia. Good coverage of foreign events in the news, foreign movies playing at the movie theatres, etc.

But it's also part of the history. Australia is trying to find its place in the world. It's a former british colony and has been kind of an American colony since World War II. It escaped the GFC by exporting raw materials to China, that's a nice industry to have but not something to build on, long-term.

Australia's future is as part of the pacific, but it will be hard to build a strong position within that.