Under 25 And Balding, What Cures Are You Looking Forward To?

[shookwun]

Lol, what exactly is "autistic screeching" anyway?

Part of the reason we got the email on the "inductivity" issue is because people were beating the drum on getting an answer to that. I agree there's the odd Bimmler or whomever who are trolling but I think most here just want answers.

For myself I can't tell you the difference in my outlook when I feel more positive about upcoming treatments. If hair loss isn't (effectively) cured, I basically feel like my life is over. When I'm feeling better about a way out of this nightmare, my entire outlook on life improves a hundredfold. Melodramatic as f*** but that's pretty much how I feel. I bet many feel similarly, that's why we're here. And yet I've never been one to just cling to platitudes and well-wishes. If I ever developed cancer or some other serious illness, it would enrage me for people to cloak it in "positivity" or whatever. Nope, i want to see the scans. Let me look, I want to know. And so it is with hair loss. It's fine well and good to talk about upcoming treatments in some nebulous, feel good, we're gonna make it brahs! way. Many of us aren't satisfied with that.

Anyway, I've beat this horse. It just seems like when we go beyond the hopeful platitudes and start really examining a given treatments hurdles and challenges, it sounds like we are still pretty much fucked. But if we are its better to look it in the face. As I said, those of you who cheerlead for given treatments should be willing to supply facts and really should appreciate being able to means test your treatments. I fear some of you don't like the naysayers because it confirms your own questions and doubts.

Diversify your game.

Create your own reality

Reap the benefits and fruits of your labour.

 

[Trichosan]

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Create your own reality...
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Ok. He pays a full head, long-haired stud to eat his trophy wife while she pulls his tresses like reigns into her womanhood as she screams bald-head profanities at him tied to a chair and they laugh uncontrollably at his micropenis.

 

[vernon]

First of all, let me clarify that I ain't hyped for any of these future treatments.
Nonetheless, most of your arguments are invalid.
A) Pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies are able to provide "estimations and timelines" due to the fixed protocol they all have to abide by. Every single such company can set timelines once preclinical trials turn out successful.
B) Tsuji's deed is publicly funded, by the Japanese government. It needs no private investment.
C) I wouldn't say they are really trying to advertize themselves.
D) 95% of new products fail at the preclinical research level, in which, most of the times, mice are involved. In clinical trials, there are no mice, just humans (after all!). Furthermore, the success rate of phase II clinical trials (the lowest of all such rates) is 30-40%, which means what really? That most of the new products fail at the preclinical research level. In a nutshell, not all new products work on mice.

You are right on two things, though.
1) Even if Organ Germ Technology works out, it won't be available en masse right away, and it's gonna be costly.
2) Postponements due to unforeseen roadblocks are a reality.

I know that the investors thing doesnt apply to tsuji, that was a general statement which applies to most of other private companies. But they do provide a specific timeline more to justify their work and set goals for themselves, it shouldn't be taken too seriously. Its easy to put a plan on a piece of paper, but it never works perfectly.

In longterm perspective, I hope they will succeed because unlimited supply of follicles could really be considered a practical cure.

But until then, even a better alternative to finasteride and minoxidil (without sides and having to bother with it every day) would be a great improvement imho. It would also make hair transplants a much better deal indirectly.

 

[17AndBalding]

Well something has to come out sometime in the near future, I'm 18 and heading for norwood 4, baldspot is already developing! I DEMAND IT!

 

[17AndBalding]

BIG 3?

Sorry, I meant something new

 

[17AndBalding]

Yes Yes, but are you using Big 3?

A gotcha, I'm only on minoxidil at the moment, started treatment last month.

 

[The Baldy Man]

Yeah get on finasteride ASAP and save up for transplants, don't look forward to miracle cures.

 

[That Guy]

But if it is too expensive for the mass we won't be able to utilize the fruits of his labor...at all.

I'm not sure how many times we'll have to discuss this.

Lamborghinis are too expensive for the masses and yet the company still turns profits on their sports cars every year.

Obviously, this won't be lamborghini price, but the general concept stands.

This will definitely cost more than a conventional transplant with the added bonus of travel expenses, for weeks at a time or back and forth, to the planet's most expensive country.

I just googled that Wayne Rooney's first transplant cost the equivalent of 25k CAD. At a job paying 18$ an hour up here (which most young people don't make), after you'd deduct rent/mortage, insurance, and other costs, that's an entire year's salary. I guarantee you the Tsuji equivalent of that transplant will cost more, but now you'd have to add all these other expenses on top of it.

Most people aren't going to pay this kind of money even if they have the savings, nor will they finance it and go into debt for "just hair." How many guys who are married, with Rooney-level baldness, with two kids, a mortgage, insurance, car payments, etc.'s wives are going to be like "Sure honey, you can spend a down payment on a house's worth to travel to Japan for 3 weeks to get your hair back!" ? — almost none.

Unless you're really lucky and they charge a flat rate, most people aren't going to go through with it when faced with the actual costs involved. It would be far better to wait for the clinics to open near you and get more hair as you can afford it — most here don't feel they have that kind of time.

 

[gimmiehairorgimmiedeath]

I'm not seeing nearly enough mention of shiseido. That's looking like it could be a preventative cure which is huge, over the 2 years all of the subject's hair loss didn't progress at all. So worst case, you have to get the treatment every 2 years to keep your hair, but we'll know pretty soon about 5 year results. The scientists have hypothesized that small doses spread out over time will be more effective then the one large dose used in the safety trial, they also have to experiment with the ideal depth of injection and sh*t like that.

Tsuji seems promising but that is years away at best, personally I don't expect it to be a refined readily available option until 2025 minimum and that's if all goes well. We need shiseido in the meantime.

finasteride is still King.

 

[sunchyme1]

I'm not seeing nearly enough mention of shiseido. That's looking like it could be a preventative cure which is huge, over the 2 years all of the subject's hair loss didn't progress at all. So worst case, you have to get the treatment every 2 years to keep your hair, but we'll know pretty soon about 5 year results. The scientists have hypothesized that small doses spread out over time will be more effective then the one large dose used in the safety trial, they also have to experiment with the ideal depth of injection and sh*t like that.

Tsuji seems promising but that is years away at best, personally I don't expect it to be a refined readily available option until 2025 minimum and that's if all goes well. We need shiseido in the meantime.

finasteride is still King.

tsjui is a f*****g pipedream. unaffordable for years if it actually comes out. a lot of us will be our in 40s by then with other sh*t going on.

shiseido is what im interested in too. when is this meant to be released?

 

[hanginginthewire]

tsjui is a f*****g pipedream. unaffordable for years if it actually comes out. a lot of us will be our in 40s by then with other sh*t going on.

shiseido is what im interested in too. when is this meant to be released?

Q4 2018 in Japan only is the goal.

 

[MrV88]

tsjui is a f*****g pipedream. unaffordable for years if it actually comes out. a lot of us will be our in 40s by then with other sh*t going on.

shiseido is what im interested in too. when is this meant to be released?

End of 2018, personally I believe Shiseido will give us more than just mantaining. Should be better at thickening and a little regrowth than finasteride, minoxidil or other jungle juice that we have at the moment with less sides.

 

[shookwun]

I'm not sure how many times we'll have to discuss this.

Lamborghinis are too expensive for the masses and yet the company still turns profits on their sports cars every year.

Obviously, this won't be lamborghini price, but the general concept stands.

This will definitely cost more than a conventional transplant with the added bonus of travel expenses, for weeks at a time or back and forth, to the planet's most expensive country.

I just googled that Wayne Rooney's first transplant cost the equivalent of 25k CAD. At a job paying 18$ an hour up here (which most young people don't make), after you'd deduct rent/mortage, insurance, and other costs, that's an entire year's salary. I guarantee you the Tsuji equivalent of that transplant will cost more, but now you'd have to add all these other expenses on top of it.

Most people aren't going to pay this kind of money even if they have the savings, nor will they finance it and go into debt for "just hair." How many guys who are married, with Rooney-level baldness, with two kids, a mortgage, insurance, car payments, etc.'s wives are going to be like "Sure honey, you can spend a down payment on a house's worth to travel to Japan for 3 weeks to get your hair back!" ? — almost none.

Unless you're really lucky and they charge a flat rate, most people aren't going to go through with it when faced with the actual costs involved. It would be far better to wait for the clinics to open near you and get more hair as you can afford it — most here don't feel they have that kind of time.

Great post. I cannot see a permanent cure being less the 25,000. We are from this



Hair maintenance and stimulation with follica seems more practical for the mass.


Even a cure that fully haults hairllss while reversing miniturzation would be a god send.

 

[shookwun]

End of 2018, personally I believe Shiseido will give us more than just mantaining. Should be better at thickening and a little regrowth than finasteride, minoxidil or other jungle juice that we have at the moment with less sides.

This is practical an foreseeable.


Going from slick bald to bushy Barnet not so much. A pipedream for awhile
Might have to pull out that dusty hair piece and slap it back on!

 

[MrV88]

This is practical an foreseeable.


Going from slick bald to bushy Barnet not so much. A pipedream for awhile
Might have to pull out that dusty hair piece and slap it back on!

Heard that hair pieces kills "the last man standing follicles" that could be rescued by Shiseido or Follica. Wouldn't use them, although a lot of my friends prefer it.

Some density from these two products would be quite the deal for a lot people, paired with a good hair transplant it should be good enough for a 2022-2025 by then "affordable" Tsuji goal.

 

[shookwun]

Heard that hair pieces kills "the last man standing follicles" that could be rescued by Shiseido or Follica. Wouldn't use them, although a lot of my friends prefer it.

Some density from these two products would be quite the deal for a lot people, paired with a good hair transplant it should be good enough for a 2022-2025 by then "affordable" Tsuji goal.

A glorified finasteride & minioxidil in 1 would be a milestone in itself.

A drug that can fully reverse miniturzation and increase turn over on a cellular level.

 

[MrV88]

A glorified finasteride & minioxidil in 1 would be a milestone in itself.

A drug that can fully reverse miniturzation and increase turn over on a cellular level.

Ain't so sure about that. finasteride+Min ain't close to be a cure for everyone. Not everybody responds so well to save hair.
Just saying we need much better things with less sides.

 

[sunchyme1]

Ain't so sure about that. finasteride+Min ain't close to be a cure for everyone. Not everybody responds so well to save hair.
Just saying we need much better things with less sides.

you confident shielsdo and follica will come out in the next year or two?

 

[tomcat]

Ain't so sure about that. finasteride+Min ain't close to be a cure for everyone. Not everybody responds so well to save hair.
Just saying we need much better things with less sides.

yes we need better things but a lot of ppl quit min and finasteride after big shedding and thats why i think they dont get results ppl should stick with meds at least 2 years

 

[ForeverBald]

They are still in phase 2 right? @MrV88