Under 25 And Balding, What Cures Are You Looking Forward To?

[Christian Miller]

Just lol

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To be considered "middle class", the true middle, in Canada, you have to make at least 23k if you're single.

Guarantee Tsuji will cost you more than that to go from bald to not. If you made the 55k to be considered "Highest 20%", (all this before taxes) then you'd still likely wind up short in savings after all the costs of living you'll pay here. Especially since most people making that money are living in more expensive places, buying more food, more expensive cars, etc.

To be in the upper 20%, you have to make around 20 bucks an hour, full-time. Most people my age are still beginning to climb corporate ladders or are still in retail jobs earning like 15 - 17 per hour max; the exception is the oilfield.

Most Canadian 18 - 25 year olds, the demographic to whom hairloss is of greatest concern from a social standpoint, are not going to be able to swing this journey to Japan in quest for hair after all of their other costs — sad, but true.

Pal, I'm talking about a 25-year-old who is just starting to save up 20% of his income.
And manages to save up at least 25,000$ within the next five years.
And takes a 20,000-30,000$ loan at the age of 30+.
Saving means you do everything within your power to spend as little as possible.
That even means you share a house and commute to job and places.
If you are not willing to make sacrifices, then, just shave it, bro.

 

[Christian Miller]

You are living in Fantasyland sorry, but yes I can afford it, but I won't pay such a ridiculous price for hair. Better pay 20-30 more and get a 911 or something more valuable, arkadaş.

Then, be bald.
That's up to you, arkadaș.

 

[michel sapin]

I am 24 and i have already saved 10 K for tsuji .
Each month i saved for it

 

[That Guy]

Saving means you do everything within your power to spend as little as possible.

Saving means that you cut out non-essential costs after you've already covered the essential costs (which is less subjective) to "save" the money that remains. Essential costs leave roughly 80% of people in the Great White North with little savings, but those savings most people would rather spend on having a life.

That even means you share a house and commute to job and places

I hate roomates unless they're female and will be gone by tomorrow afternoon; I also enjoy my car and not having to share the bus or subway with the skids.

If you are not willing to make sacrifices, then, just shave it, bro.

Nope. I'm gonna stick with my finasteride, minoxidil, transplants and will use things like Follica and Shiseido when they come out because they will be out before I'm 30 and won't cost a shitload.

 

[Christian Miller]

I am 24 and i have already saved 10 K for tsuji .
Each month i saved for it

No, it's impossible, Michel Sapin.
I shall just resort to the stupidity of microneedling and min.
LMAO

 

[Christian Miller]

Saving means that you cut out non-essential costs after you've already covered the essential costs (which is less subjective) to "save" the money that remains. Essential costs leave roughly 80% of people in the Great White North with little savings, but those savings most people would rather spend on having a life.



I hate roomates unless they're female and will be gone by tomorrow afternoon; I also enjoy my car and not having to share the bus or subway with the skids.



Nope. I'm gonna stick with my finasteride, minoxidil, transplants and will use things like Follica and Shiseido when they come out because they will be out before I'm 30 and won't cost a shitload.

Well, do you.
I don't know, though, how you will be feeling when an acquaintance around your age has the procedure done and it looks great.
(Everything we talk about are assumptions. I'm fully aware of that!)

 

[That Guy]

I don't know, though, how you will be feeling when an acquaintance around your age has the procedure done and it looks great.

"Nice, I maintained and restored most of my hair several years ago for a fraction of the price."

 

[Christian Miller]

"Nice, I maintained and restored most of my hair several years ago for a fraction of the price."

Delusional!

 

[That Guy]

Delusional!

Lol, using finasteride and transplants, and (hopefully) technologies that are like a year away from market approval to go from NW2 to 1 is "delusional" to you, but saving up 10s of thousands of dollars in 3 years on a wage that puts you in the exact middle class so you can pay for a surgical procedure you have no guarantee will happen and even when it does, the company behind it is only equipping themselves to treat "10,000 people, globally" is somehow "realistic" to you?

Meanwhile, you're taking "absolutely nothing" for your hairloss.

Have fun being bald by 2020, dude and keep saving those euro bills in your mom's basement — you're gonna need as many of them as you can get!

 

[ForeverBald]

All the prices you got ( $30k $40k $50k ) based on hair transplant cost. But i think they ( hair transplant doctor ) must lower their price to compete with Tsuji's technique . Sorry for my English.

 

[H]

sh*t by all these estimates the people in the Riken lab wouldn't even be able to afford the therapy their working on lol

 

[That Guy]

All the prices you got ( $30k $40k $50k ) based on hair transplant cost. But i think they ( hair transplant doctor ) must lower their price to compete with Tsuji's technique . Sorry for my English.

Tsuji's technique is just the next logical step in hair transplants, but his technique is much more involved and will require 3rd-party facilities and staff, combined with the market demand for "unlimited donor" and the ability to control all aspects of the hair growth, along with being a new technology that must recoup expenses, it will definitely be higher than conventional transplants.

sh*t by all these estimates the people in the Riken lab wouldn't even be able to afford the therapy their working on lol

People in Japan have the benefit of being able to make small trips over the span of years if need be and restoring a bit more hair at a time; as people already due with transplant clinics in their own countries.

This is not feasible for like 9/10 foreigners.

 

[H]

Tsuji's technique is just the next logical step in hair transplants, but his technique is much more involved and will require 3rd-party facilities and staff, combined with the market demand for "unlimited donor" and the ability to control all aspects of the hair growth, along with being a new technology that must recoup expenses, it will definitely be higher than conventional transplants.



People in Japan have the benefit of being able to make small trips over the span of years if need be and restoring a bit more hair at a time; as people already due with transplant clinics in their own countries.

This is not feasible for like 9/10 foreigners.

They are still fucked if the treatment costs too much and they need lots of hair. Money adds up loans take time to pay off they'll be so close and yet so far away.

 

[Christian Miller]

Lol, using finasteride and transplants, and (hopefully) technologies that are like a year away from market approval to go from NW2 to 1 is "delusional" to you, but saving up 10s of thousands of dollars in 3 years on a wage that puts you in the exact middle class so you can pay for a surgical procedure you have no guarantee will happen and even when it does, the company behind it is only equipping themselves to treat "10,000 people, globally" is somehow "realistic" to you?

Meanwhile, you're taking "absolutely nothing" for your hairloss.

Have fun being bald by 2020, dude and keep saving those euro bills in your mom's basement — you're gonna need as many of them as you can get!

Mate, I already can afford a 50,000$ procedure.
And I live on my own.
Bwahahahaha...
Take your finasteride and your minoxidil.

 

[Endmymisery]

Nope. I'm gonna stick with my finasteride, minoxidil, transplants and will use things like Follica and Shiseido when they come out because they will be out before I'm 30 and won't cost a shitload.

Are you still going to keep taking finasteride once shiseido comes out and it provides maintenance?

 

[Omega2327]

I think I need to spend less time on this forum. I appreciate everyone's opinion, even the ones I disagree with. We're all ultimately on the same page, hoping for the same thing. Fact is, everyone's situation is different and I think the only situation I need to concern myself with is my own. I hope the up and coming treatments prove to be beneficial in some way for all of us. We shall just have to be patient and see how things pan out in the future.

I wish nothing but the best for you guys.

 

[SwissGuy]

I'm gonna save some money for a transplant

...

Aaand I'm done.

 

[MrV88]

Everyone's biggest hope is what they have been talking about for many years now, and that is hair multiplication or hair cloning. However, i will personally admit, it sounds too good to be true. I think stem cells and genetic engineering is the future for preventative purposes.

Just like you I think it's the only way, but we still need very skilled doctors that can make the best of unlimited supply or an automated process.

 

[gimmiehairorgimmiedeath]

Are you still going to keep taking finasteride once shiseido comes out and it provides maintenance?

Also I think the prohibitive part of Tsuji as it stands now is the fact that it still doesn't exist and there's no guarantee it ever will. They might hit a roadblock when applying it to humans (unless they already have and I'm misinformed) and it never happens. Also isn't it basically just injections? Like they'll theoretically inject cells which turn into baby follicles which then mature? I can see that being cheaper then hair transplant.

 

[That Guy]

They are still fucked if the treatment costs too much and they need lots of hair. Money adds up loans take time to pay off they'll be so close and yet so far away.

If you live in Japan, you do not have to consider all these travels expenses. You can visit a clinic a few times a year, paying a couple grand or so a visit and get whatever that gets you for hair. Especially for people who aren't high NWs, it's feasible to do something like this. Just as it is practical for me to get multiple hair transplants done over the span of a few years in Canada than it is for me to travel halfway around the world to do the same.

I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept.

Mate, I already can afford a 50,000$ procedure.
And I live on my own.
Bwahahahaha...
Take your finasteride and your minoxidil.

So you got 50k in savings, but could not be bothered to spend some of it on cheap finasteride pills, some rogaine foam and you could have undergone an extensive transplant(s) with that kind of money, likely ending your misery years ago, but instead you take nothing and are waiting to spend it on a plausible future technology?

Sure, and I'm actually Ian McShane.

Are you still going to keep taking finasteride once shiseido comes out and it provides maintenance?

Probably, at least for a while.

Like they'll theoretically inject cells which turn into baby follicles which then mature? I can see that being cheaper then hair transplant.

The chart they released a year ago says it will be "administered with the conventional method."

Initially, it will be applied by transplant surgeons (the best in Japan) who don't get out of bed for less than 5-digits and like I said, the procedure requires cellular cultivation facilities, storage, staff, and shipping and after some years, they hope to automate the entire process with proprietary machines.

In a regular hair transplant, everything can be done in office. So no, a lot more costly than a hair transplant.